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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 28 October 2014 8:22:27 PM(UTC)
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I see the Blue HK GTS 327 sold at the Motoclassica auction.
The engine was Chevy orange - is this the wrong colour ?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, 30 October 2014 3:39:17 AM(UTC)
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I think the engine colour should be rocket red. All the best cars HK/HT I have seen at shows dont have chevy orange paint colour so maybe the guy just got it wrong.
Others on this site should be able to confirm -anybody ?
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 30 October 2014 6:31:52 AM(UTC)
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X2 red I think it is called. The same red used on HD/R X2 and HR 186S. GMH must have sent that paint spec over to the US and that is what the Chev engines were painted wheras the Holden engines were changed to a different red. Or something like that.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, 30 October 2014 7:40:13 PM(UTC)
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As usual you blokes just have to bag. The colour of the engine is correct and was checked with experts who know. the engine and all its bolt on bits were checked by a well known Melbourne HKTG expert and given the thumbs up.
FFS enjoy the car for what it is.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, 30 October 2014 10:47:04 PM(UTC)
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Chris - you must be the guy that built the car ??
Sorry to tell you Chris but yours is the first GTS I have seen with an orange engine, and I have seen a few hundred HK GTS 327 in my time.
Look at all the original unmolested V8 HK Monaros and they have "red" engines. I know - I have one.
Have a look at the Nationals previous winners and they have "red" engines.
Have a look at the colour of the engine on the cover of the Holden V8 1968 workshop manual from back then - its red.

Chris the car looked nice, its a poster car for Rare Spares and you got a good quid for it. Fantastic.

But regrettably you were misinformed by your expert about the engine colour- FFS.
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#6 Posted : Friday, 31 October 2014 12:10:40 AM(UTC)
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Who was bagging? I was just making a statement, don't even know the car being described.....
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#7 Posted : Saturday, 1 November 2014 9:36:33 PM(UTC)
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As usual you blokes just have to bag. The colour of the engine is correct and was checked with experts who know. the engine and all its bolt on bits were checked by a well known Melbourne HKTG expert and given the thumbs up.
FFS enjoy the car for what it is.

Chris


no one is baggin it chris, unfortunately its just the way it is, roger might have made a blue here I reckon, you should have built a GTHO, you would have got a lot more and sold it easier, we have to remember its only a 327 HK, really nothing to rave or write home about, and sales figures lately prove and show this, probably should have built an FC like daves!!

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#8 Posted : Friday, 7 November 2014 11:23:37 AM(UTC)
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#9 Posted : Saturday, 8 November 2014 2:06:17 AM(UTC)
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Does this apply to HQ 350 as well ? my 350 sure looks Chevy orange to me ? Mark.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 8 November 2014 6:15:41 PM(UTC)
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Yes. As far as I am aware all except maybe the last lot of SBC's in HK-HQ were the X2/186S red. If I remember correctly it is far more orange than the normal HK rocket red as used on HK-HG engines (other than SBC's).
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 11 November 2014 1:28:57 AM(UTC)
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I'm not sure about HK, but disagree with the some of the comments/opinions regarding HT350 and HG350 engine paint colour. I know of a class winning survivor HG350, recently seen at the nationals, in which the engine is definitely Chevrolet Orange, and a HT350 which is also definitely Chevrolet Orange. Both also have unpainted raw cast iron gearboxes, by the way.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 11 November 2014 7:47:38 AM(UTC)
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I have a survivor HT 350 and the engine has never been removed from the car.
The engine colour is definitely not that bright Chevy orange but is more like red with a touch of orange.
is that what x2 red looks like ?
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 12 November 2014 4:40:12 AM(UTC)
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That'll be it. HK-HT GMH documentation shows the following (but for stuff painted here it may not always follow the Engineering documentation at every assembly plant for every instance):

HK 307 and 327 engines (and bellhousing on manual cars), Saginaw transmission and Opel transmission - all painted HR X2 engine red. This includes exhaust manifolds. You can see almost everything as it should be on a type 1 HK GTS327 engine on the cover of the original Scientific Publications workshop manual - http://www.ebay.com.au/i...edia&hash=item541238db1d

HT to sometime in 1973 HQ 350 engines (and bellhousings on manual cars) - all the same X2 engine red. Saginaw transmissions all painted HK rocket red (same red as HK 6cyl engines) regardless of whether fitted to a 161, 186, 253, 308 or 350ci engine.

1973-1974 HQ 350 engines - HK rocket red.

As far is known the transmissions were all painted wherever they were unpacked before sending to the assembly plants.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 12 November 2014 9:45:22 AM(UTC)
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Here's a virtually untouched survivor HG350. What colour do we reckon this is? http://s1273.photobucket...278_zps43c8b4e6.jpg.html

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 12 November 2014 4:36:46 PM(UTC)
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Looks like X2 Holden red to me. Looks the same colour as all the original 307, 327 and 350 blocks, heads, manifolds etc that I've accumulated over the years. It looks orange until you get it next to Chevy Orange in my experience.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, 18 November 2014 9:39:57 AM(UTC)
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I was interested to read the comments from gm 5735 in regards to the unpainted gearboxes in some HT Monaros. I have a original 307 4 speed HK Monaro that I purchased in 1974 from the cars original owner. As far as I know the first time the gearbox was removed from this car was in early 2009 when I began restoring the car. This gearbox wasn't painted. I plan to be leaving gearbox finish as is (unpainted) when it is fitted. Any comments as to whether this was commom in manual 307 HK Monaros?
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, 18 November 2014 10:58:25 AM(UTC)
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Gerard, I can't comment about HK, but the HT, which I've owned since 1979, and the HG, which has been owned by the current owner for about the same time, both have raw gearboxes. Both are Dandenong cars, if that makes a difference, and both still have the daubed paint mark which is supposedly an assembly mark of some kind. My differential also has a similar mark. If any paint on the gearbox had been stripped the daub would not have survived.
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The original Engineering Technical manuals show them to be painted. Maybe Dandenong didn't for some reason or for some cars? Hard to fathom why they wouldn't paint a bare cast item though. The other car that we can vouch for is a true Survivor HK GTS which is a Dandenong assembly and its Opel box also wasn't painted. Again a Dandenong thing.
Engineering Technical manuals show the master cylinder is meant to be bare cast, but at some stage both Elizabeth and Pagewood painted them.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, 19 November 2014 12:03:23 AM(UTC)
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Hi all .. regarding the lack of paint on the gearboxes...from what i read years ago, the 307 in the HK range initially came with auto only....

...could the unpainted aspect be something to do with the relaxation of that rule?...whereby the "new" gearboxes could now be fitted, with the earliest manuals being almost considered an afterfit ??
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 19 November 2014 1:48:44 AM(UTC)
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Early 6cyl HK always had a 4spd imported box, you just couldn't get a manual behind a 5 litre until Monaro release. As far as i'm aware pre Monaro Opel boxes were supposed to be painted too. In my opinion given what the documentation states unpainted boxes would be an exception, and it does appear as though Dandenong assembly is part of that exception.
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