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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 9 October 2018 7:06:57 AM(UTC)
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I see the VH Commodore of Brock ( I have a VH Royale 6 ...hope its gone up in value ? ) was advertised as an SS . It sure has an SS badge on the dash board ,but SLX door trims and its the wrong interior colour for a VH SS. I would think race shells in that time would have been GMPA bodies with all the trim added later? It really annoys me when cars are advertised/Sold with wrong details . Thanks Mark.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 9 October 2018 8:44:57 AM(UTC)
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The LX’s Brock raced aren’t A9X’s either, they were GMP&A vehicles. If the VH in question was a GMP&A vehicle it will probably be seen in the same way, ie people call them SS but they really aren’t. Remember though that in the LX’s case they were complete cars, not shells although in the HDT versions they provided some parts to GMH to install for them - this is detailed on the broadcast sheets.

Some of the early race Commodores were just basic V8 manual cars (4.2L 4spd) that were then modified into GroupC race cars.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, 10 October 2018 8:09:07 PM(UTC)
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Standard practice back then was to get a car, of some type, and build a race car to the rules. Look at the 3 XA GTs that everyone calls GTHO prototypes, these were race preped cars not prototypes (you do not build a prototype after the first car comes down the production line)
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 10 October 2018 8:42:21 PM(UTC)
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The trim never seemed to match the road vehicle they were "loosely" based on - especially in Group C, but even into Group A as well - the 2x '87 VL Mobil Group A race cars had cerulean interior plastics and indigo tweed from the Gemini ZZ/Z, yet the road-going VL Group A had grey. The '84 Marlboro VKs had brown trim, with the seats trimmed in VK exec fabric - not the cerulean tweed of the SS.

Brown seems to be the common colour in the Group C era, yet none of the Brock specials had brown. However, until the mid 80s is was one of the most common interior colours, particularly when paired with whote exterior paint, which is how a lot of them started out before being modified (those that were complete cars).
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#5 Posted : Sunday, 21 October 2018 10:54:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Warren Turnbull Go to Quoted Post
Standard practice back then was to get a car, of some type, and build a race car to the rules. Look at the 3 XA GTs that everyone calls GTHO prototypes, these were race preped cars not prototypes (you do not build a prototype after the first car comes down the production line)


...I've been arguing this point laboriously on one of the Falcon pages, much to the disgust of a few die-hards. The I.D plate, chassis serial, and subsequent build details HAVE to confer with any car's stated "build profile" and ORIGINALITY, for me to get excited about it all.

....When we start talking in the millions of dollars and validation is being sought, running the ruler over points like this can do no harm....and helps keep things very, very real.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, 21 October 2018 11:21:21 AM(UTC)
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When you think about it, it makes perfect sense to use a cheaper car to develop race cars from, just like GMH did with the V8 XU1 program. The three cars that were used to develop the V8 XU1's were GTR's not XU1's. Why pull apart and modify an XU1 when you are going to turf the most expensive bits (engine with carbs and the LSD 6cyl diff centre). The XU1 engine, close ratio M20 box and the 6cyl LSD diff centre would all be removed for a 308, M21 and a V8 LSD diff centre.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, 21 October 2018 1:43:55 PM(UTC)
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When you think about it, it makes perfect sense to use a cheaper car to develop race cars from, just like GMH did with the V8 XU1 program. The three cars that were used to develop the V8 XU1's were GTR's not XU1's. Why pull apart and modify an XU1 when you are going to turf the most expensive bits (engine with carbs and the LSD 6cyl diff centre). The XU1 engine, close ratio M20 box and the 6cyl LSD diff centre would all be removed for a 308, M21 and a V8 LSD diff centre.


HDT VK "Big Bangers" were delivered as VK SL's with no drive train.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, 21 October 2018 4:26:00 PM(UTC)
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We have just seen one of the XA GTs sell for $2M as it was being prepared to race as a GTHO. Even though Loyds called it a GTHO and many refer to it as a prototype (cannot be a prototype as the first production car had already been built and you do not build prototypes after production starts) but it always was and always will be a XA GT. A very special GT though.

The racing is about racing a specification, not necessarily the exact car.

This can be shown by the only 4 door Monaro to compete at Bathurst in October, 1973 saw a 4 door 308 GTS race, the following year a GTS 350 raced, both the same car, it was, and always will be, a GTS 308.


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