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#1 Posted : Monday, 11 January 2010 11:01:30 PM(UTC)
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Hey guys.

Want to get YOUR ideas on what the HQ 4 door GTS Monaros are worth in your eyes in both Holden V8 and Chev forms.

Ive seen some quite high prices going for these of late, and there has been a lot of stuff being thrown around like there were less produced than the coupe, etc etc.

So what do YOU guys think?
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#2 Posted : Monday, 11 January 2010 11:33:06 PM(UTC)
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Anything GTS that was fitted with a Chev is worth having. Thyell never be worth coupe prices although they are rarer than coupes. I cant see a Holden V8 powered one ever pulling huge money, a mickey mouse original Survivor 308 example would have to be worth $25-$30k though, but roughies needing resto are sometimes a bit overpriced in my opinion.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 12 January 2010 1:49:36 AM(UTC)
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I agree with Byron,$25-$30k,but roughies are really overpriced,by time you fixem up properly its twice what they are worth.I think you are always better off buying an unrestored car to get the real feeling for what it needs and nothing is hidden.bad news is better to see than find in my opinion.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 13 January 2010 1:00:58 AM(UTC)
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So the humble 253 4 door isnt worth much then ? Sounds like the GTS/4s are better being used as parts for coupes, Kings or Prems then. :((
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 13 January 2010 1:12:48 AM(UTC)
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Relative to coupes probably not, but relative to other non-XV4 Kingswoods or Premiers yes they are worth having. They are (in my opinion) a bit overpriced for full resto propositions. Excellent basis for a nice street car though.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, 13 January 2010 6:19:09 PM(UTC)
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Ive seem some rough examples going quite high, some good examples for not much more.

I guess its a case of anything though, eventually they will become collectable in sense due to their ever increasing rarity, although I dont think we will see massive $$$ commanded for them, I guess they will still hold their own.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 12:10:44 AM(UTC)
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Its funny Satan, guys that have no interest in the GTS/4 always think there overpriced. Its worth what you are prepared to pay for it. TruBlu a 253 4 speed in Infra Red, Ultra Violet or Lettuce Alone is priceless in my opinion but I am a bit bias. 99% of cars in my opinion are not great investments if you are looking for a return on them. Stick your money in a Commercial Bill or Term deposit. But if you want a car because you love it and want one who cares what they cost. My GTS/4 cost me a lot but I dont care because when I am driving it I just love it.
The coupes do nothing for me so I think they are over the top.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 12:41:07 AM(UTC)
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Hi Satans HQ, This is the age old question that sees two very different answers from either the true enthusiast or the speculator. There is a very nice Mustard 350 4 speed car for sale at the moment for around $100k which to me seems a good buy if you know what you are looking at and know about the cars. Price is a matter of supply and demand. As others have mentioned, the price you pay will be a reflection of just how much you want a specific car. In terms of rarity, I know that the GTS 4-door cars total roughly the same number as the total GTS coupes built but remember that GTS coupes were built over four years (71,2,3,4) whilst the 4-doors were only made for two years (73,4).

AndrewSS is spot on with the comment regarding being about the money.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 2:20:36 AM(UTC)
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All i can say is this.......

I like my GTS/4s, i had a hx as my first car and now i have my HJ (and driving it still gives me a chubby).

I am not really worried about the money (it owes me far more than id likely get) but it doesnt really matter - it will get passed on to the kids (but hopefully not for a very long time).

Its a (expensive) hobby and keeps me out of trouble.....

I am not allowed a mistress so i got a GTS - and its better
A GTS/4 is a monaro - so nuuur
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 2:50:43 AM(UTC)
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DA is right, the 350 powered examples are certainly a good thing to have but I personally think $100k is a bit steep for an XW8 but each to his or her own. There were 402 x HQ GTS350 coupes made and around 212-220 x HQ XW8s made so the XW8 will always be rarer I suppose but so will a HK V8 panelvan! Andrew is spot on too, its not always about the money! However there seems to be a huge focus on numbers especially in the Torana world, where many are so focussed on mumbers and date codes that they dont really seem to appreciate the cars anymore, which to me appears to be a money oriented phenomenon. Some of these guys are paying huge money (like $4,000) for a 2600S block when its not even the original engine for the car! If you stand back and watch blokes around say a pristine LJ XU-1 at a car show, theyll stand there and look at master cylinder date codes etc, and not stand back and admire the fact that the car has survived as it is for nearly 40 years!

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#11 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 3:50:15 AM(UTC)
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I agree with you Byron, and its not only in the Torana world. The Monaro world can have some pretty anal people and at a car show this can be blown way out of proportion. I met a bloke last year with a Sandman who was adamant his car was the only one in Perth that had a certain type of covering on the back and the car that beat him was not original blah blah blah. People will poo poo other peoples pride and joy over insignificent and barely detectable faults in cars that in some cases are over 40 years old. I hate it. I usually park my car were it is going at a show and walk away, leaving people to it. That way they can say what they want and I dont have to hear it. Admire a car as it is and how its been built and pay what you think it is worth to you. That 350 for sale is very cool but wouldnt the Barbados green one for 56K be better. I have been looking at that car for a while now and have had a crack at the missus a couple of times for a green light but so far she is holding fast. It is slowly coming down in price.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 4:36:54 AM(UTC)
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I agree with Andrew 100%.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 7:03:47 AM(UTC)
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Here is an XW8 on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...8082&fromMakeTrack=true

And another earlier "GTS/4"...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/H...ars?hash=item3a56b2d24a

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#14 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 7:11:59 AM(UTC)
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quote:
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Here is an XW8 on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...8082&fromMakeTrack=true

And another earlier "GTS/4"...

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/H...ars?hash=item3a56b2d24a

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youd be jumpin on that HT if you like them, and you are in the market for something, thats a beauty

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#15 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 7:25:09 AM(UTC)
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You dont see HK-HG Kingswood sedans in V8 4spd all that often, even rarer in 307 or 308 4spd. Ive seen plenty of 307/308 auto examples though. I wrecked a very similar HG a few years back after saving it from a demolition derby. Excellent donor car for Saginaw stuff. That HT is far too good to wreck though, but Im not sure if its a white hot special, a bit too late for that I think as its a 1970 model and I think the white hots were all 3spd and very early HT.

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#16 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 7:31:00 AM(UTC)
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its a beauty, something different form all the monaros

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#17 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 11:07:10 AM(UTC)
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Oh I agree wholeheartedly with the above statements, its more about the love of the car, than the whole matching numbers thing.

Ive copped a little flack from some "enthusiasts" as mine has had a Statesman front put on it at some stage, has 9", fairly sort of modified but retains most of its original character as such. I bought the car as a HQ 4 door, I didnt realise that it was actually a GTS/4 until out of curiosity I ran the numbers and was surprised, I have always wanted a "Monaro" and I know there is always hot debate about whether the GTS/4 was considered to truly be a "Monaro" due to its 4 door nature.

But she is mine, although I have not owned her long, I can see it become part of the furniture around here whilst I toodle around. My only real inner struggle is whether to return her to stock and covet the originality of her (always did like the look of the GTS/4 in its original guise), or whether to modify her a little more than she is now whilst trying to keep the GTS/4 character that she exudes.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 1:49:32 PM(UTC)
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i think they are well overpriced - the 4 door HQ monaro. especially the L32 cars
people are asking $15-18K for stuff that needs minor panel and paint + some interior work and non original L32 engines.
i wouldnt buy one in the above condition for more than $7-8 grand. Add 20% for a factory 308.

to add to the debate, the 4 door monaro must be a monaro. It has a monaro badge on it.

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#19 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 7:31:01 PM(UTC)
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quote:
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Excellent donor car for Saginaw stuff. That HT is far too good to wreck though, but Im not sure if its a white hot special, a bit too late for that I think as its a 1970 model and I think the white hots were all 3spd and very early HT.

Spot on Byron.

All White Hot Specials were 1969 production & were 3-sp column shift, bench seat only.

This car looks to be a rare beast & would make a nice restorer though.

Do you also like the language - "Monaro" this & "Monaro" that. Doesnt he mean "GTS" this & that?

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#20 Posted : Saturday, 16 January 2010 9:22:02 PM(UTC)
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As nice as coupes may be they are also overpriced . The market crash has brought car prices down to a more real level, Many who paid over 50-70 for a coupe would not be real pleased at present with only odd examples now selling for close to those pre crash levels.
4 doors GTS /SS cars will enjoy some sales being cheaper than coupes as they get harder to find , even old kingswoods are heading up the ladder in good nick.
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