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#21 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 6:33:19 PM(UTC)
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That’s not correct. No one washed there hands and next to no one wears a mask correctly or even use a mask that works. If it was possible to control an airborne virus by isolated, most viruses would have been eliminated years ago.


Yet recorded influenza cases and deaths have plummeted….
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#22 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 7:24:01 PM(UTC)
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I have had both of my Covid vaccines, I comply with mask wearing requirements, social distancing and other measures designed to lower the contagion rate.
My approach is to think I have the virus, and I don't want to give it to anybody else.
To those of you who decline to get vaccinated, or take the virus seriously, you will soon find out what social distancing is really about.
I got my polio shot in the mid sixties, and thankful my mum and dad weren't nutters, when it comes to the socialist taking control of our minds through vaccines.

good luck.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 7:43:26 PM(UTC)
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I believe that the reason we haven't had the flu for last winter and this one is we have had our borders closed. The flu does the rounds and is usually imported from Europe in Autumn, but that hasn't happened. Without restrictions 0.25% doubles every 3 days. In a couple of weeks you will have an India situation
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#24 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 7:47:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wbute Go to Quoted Post
That’s not correct. No one washed there hands and next to no one wears a mask correctly or even use a mask that works. If it was possible to control an airborne virus by isolated, most viruses would have been eliminated years ago.


What do you mean "no one washed their hands". Everywhere I go there is a pump bottle of antiseptic hand wash on the counter or at the entrance & you see plenty of people (including me) use it. Also even a badly worn mask is way better than no mask at all.

Are you saying that the 5 people who died at Liverpool hospital (SW Sydney !!) is just the flu ?

I agree with HK1837 here, the media are just reporting on what the Govt are saying. There isn't too much sensationalism coming out of the mainstream media.

The same cannot be said of social media, with all this anti-vax & control conspiracy nonsense.

Most of us over 60 can remember the 1950s with polio, small-pox, diphtheria, hooping cough etc. etc. vaccines have successfully wiped most of it out.

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#25 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 9:24:13 PM(UTC)
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I believe that the reason we haven't had the flu for last winter and this one is we have had our borders closed. The flu does the rounds and is usually imported from Europe in Autumn, but that hasn't happened. Without restrictions 0.25% doubles every 3 days. In a couple of weeks you will have an India situation


Yes. Closed borders is a big part of social distancing! The ultimate version really. One small benefit of this Covid era may be a big quash of the flu for a while. It will be quietly mutating somewhere though and could possibly hit back with a bad season though. It will probably take a whole generation or even two for people to forget this Covid era and hand sanitising will probably be around for a long time so the spread of the flu may well be curtailed for a long time. I can’t see myself ever not having sanitiser at hand again, or working in a sealed room with windows closed and recycled air.

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#26 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 9:57:40 PM(UTC)
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Maybe studying history might help us avoid repeating it.

I can remember kids at school in the 1960s with the "polio limp", and friends in the 1970s with major disabilities as a result of polio.

There were major poliomyelitis outbreaks in Australia in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. There is currently evidence of recurring symptoms 40 and 50 years after initial infections.

As kids we all lined up for the Sabin vaccine without question, and in 2000 Australia was declared polio free.
Sabin started in 1966, and it took over 30 years to get rid of polio.

These things are a long game, and best to ignore the idiots and look at the historical precedents.


Have you ever taken notice of deaths from the flu in countries in years before Covid? I doubt you ever gave it a thought because it wasn’t on the tv.


Thanks, yes I do take notice. I'm capable of assimilating a fair bit more than what the TV outputs, and applying a reasonable amount of discernment to the source data.

Australian Deaths attributed to Flu:

2017, 804
2018, 64
2019, 812
2020, 37

My data comes from the Australian Department of Health reports, as reported to the World Health Organisation. Not from Facebook.

That 2018 figure is a bit inconvenient to the conspiracy theory group, isn't it?

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#27 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 10:17:36 PM(UTC)
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Maybe studying history might help us avoid repeating it.

I can remember kids at school in the 1960s with the "polio limp", and friends in the 1970s with major disabilities as a result of polio.

There were major poliomyelitis outbreaks in Australia in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. There is currently evidence of recurring symptoms 40 and 50 years after initial infections.

As kids we all lined up for the Sabin vaccine without question, and in 2000 Australia was declared polio free.
Sabin started in 1966, and it took over 30 years to get rid of polio.

These things are a long game, and best to ignore the idiots and look at the historical precedents.


Yes I live in a town of 800 people and there a couple of people crippled from polio. It was a terrible disease and the vaccine was a great thing.

I have nothing against vaccine that are needed and work.

It’s hard not to be skeptical of this Covid thing though. It’s just such a lot of hoopla when you consider that 0.25% of those tested actually have it. They don’t even know they have it! Polio on the other hand had obvious and serious symptoms that no one could miss. You can not compare the two in any way.



A lot of hoopla? Over 4 million global deaths since the first reported cases doesn't sound like hoopla to me. (Source: WHO)

Deaths from Influenza, globally, are estimated to be between 250,000 and 600,000 per annum, depending on the virulence of the strain, which varies from year to year. (Source: WHO)
You'd agree Covid 19 is a little more serious than the flu?


"0.25% of those tested actually have it. They don’t even know they have it!"

That's the whole point. Covid 19 carriers have a far longer asymptomatic infectious period than Influenza carriers.

"You can not compare the two in any way." (Covid and poliomyelitis)

Actually, yes I can compare them and I just did. It was easy.

Both are viral respiratory diseases. Both have caused widespread social disruption, panic, closures of business, keeping children home from school, overloading of hospitals (ever heard of an Iron Lung?), and a co-operative worldwide search for a cure or vaccine.

When the Oral vaccine was made available in Australia in 1966 there was wholesale uptake of it, and as a result Polio has been all but eliminated.

Compare that to the current situation where a new half baked theory is expoused by a talented amateur almost daily.

Like my parents in 1966, I choose to trust the people qualified to give health advice.


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#28 Posted : Saturday, 7 August 2021 10:33:03 PM(UTC)
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I believe that the reason we haven't had the flu for last winter and this one is we have had our borders closed. The flu does the rounds and is usually imported from Europe in Autumn, but that hasn't happened. Without restrictions 0.25% doubles every 3 days. In a couple of weeks you will have an India situation


Yes. Closed borders is a big part of social distancing! The ultimate version really. One small benefit of this Covid era may be a big quash of the flu for a while. It will be quietly mutating somewhere though and could possibly hit back with a bad season though. It will probably take a whole generation or even two for people to forget this Covid era and hand sanitising will probably be around for a long time so the spread of the flu may well be curtailed for a long time. I can’t see myself ever not having sanitiser at hand again, or working in a sealed room with windows closed and recycled air.



Average monthly International arrivals to Australia. (Source: ABS)

2019: 788,000 per month,

2020: 151,000 per month
(and the average arrivals for the last 8 months of 2020 were 4,700 per month)

2021: 16,000 per month, to the end of May.

A drop in International arrivals of over 95% for the last 13 months.
As Sandaro says, given we get our latest and greatest Flu strains from overseas, the increased social distancing and hygiene measures that are widespread, and a far greater uptake in Flu vaccines is it any wonder Flu death rates have fallen away.

I just love it when the nay-sayers break out the Flu statistics.



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#29 Posted : Sunday, 8 August 2021 8:35:13 AM(UTC)
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Wow, love a good debate! Just to make it clear, I am not and never will be a anti-Vaxer! I see daily people locally who were unlucky enough to have caught and survived polio. My children are all vaccinated. I get the tetanus shot whenever I require it.
However there are far more viruses that have no effective vaccine and probably never will. Glandular fever is an example. Zoonosis viruses are prevalent in Australia, Q fever and leptospirosis being two we can catch easily. Covid is obviously another one. From what I can see both lepto and Q fever have far worse symptoms than Covid.
The flu is not being recorded because either no one is recording it (I know of next to no one who went to the doctor and reported it) or it’s being confused with Covid.
People are not using sanitiser! You don’t see anyone use it now. They did in the beginning but as with everything, they just stop doing it.
Those masks, if you have a beard they don’t work, if they don’t fit your face they don’t work (I work in mining and we get tested to see which masks actually fit our face, and everyone is different), not to mention most people don’t even put them over their noses!
If that standard of hygiene stops the flue I will be amazed.
If you type Covid death rate into google you will get a result that is so ridiculously skewed. Every death that can be attributed to Covid is. Even if the victim died of a heart attack!
The actual death rate has not increased at all.
If Covid is as deadly as they make out, the current plague of humans needs a dose anyway. It’s unsustainable.
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As for the flu, it will mutate and change within the local population, it doesn’t need to catch a plane.
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#31 Posted : Sunday, 8 August 2021 9:04:16 AM(UTC)
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"The actual death rate has not increased at all"
Stop spreading misinformation.

Excess mortality is the total number of deaths for a period compared to the expected or normal number over a previous period.
This is all deaths, not specifically covid.
Look at countries with significant covid rates and you will see huge increases in deaths.

Maybe from covid, maybe flu, maybe most got run over by a bus. Think about it.
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#32 Posted : Sunday, 8 August 2021 9:35:52 AM(UTC)
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As for the flu, it will mutate and change within the local population, it doesn’t need to catch a plane.


But it does and that is why we get surges each year. That is why the annual influenza vaccination is targeted/based to/upon the Northern Hemisphere winter strains.
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The flu will have got here regardless, apparently we are all running scared after the delta strain of Covid got here, via a plane.
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#34 Posted : Sunday, 8 August 2021 6:44:10 PM(UTC)
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[quote=Dr Terry;182729}.............

I agree with HK1837 here, the media are just reporting on what the Govt are saying. There isn't too much sensationalism coming out of the mainstream media.

The same cannot be said of social media, with all this anti-vax & control conspiracy nonsense.

Most of us over 60 can remember the 1950s with polio, small-pox, diphtheria, hooping cough etc. etc. vaccines have successfully wiped most of it out.

Dr Terry[/quote]

mainstream?? blimey.. you not seen what that Murdoch press (any paper, any news) is saying?

Ppl read this [email protected] Murdoch and others like Jones publish and spout... in a pandemic anywhere any time,
it is criminal. people will ( have) die believing this stuff ...



ps... being on the + side of 60, I def remember our health vaccination record from those times,
Diptheria, whooping cough vaccines all done. Sabin/Salk polio?.. yes, done! small pox?.. yep



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#35 Posted : Sunday, 8 August 2021 6:56:51 PM(UTC)
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Alan Jones isn’t mainstream! He’s a right wing nutter like those other idiots Bolt and Credlin. They are no better than their polar opposite left wing nutters.
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, 10 August 2021 4:25:41 PM(UTC)
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It looks like the so called Covid Vaccine is a failing to save peoples lives.

I seen one report on that 75% of server cases in recent out brake in Massachusetts that are fully vaccinated people and as for the State of Israel 95% of the server cases are fully vaccinated.

I hope it's not true, but I would not be surprised at all.

I believe the so called Vaccine is total shit, because I can see that it has nothing to do with being truly vaccinated. Vaccines have never been founded on such nonsense ever because no vaccine has ever been created that way ever before as this new highly experimental drug has been made and not to mention it's testing is a joke, because it has never been tested enough truly to really market such a experimental drug. I would never ever let anyone treat me too such a outrageous wild experiment.

If it was a real Vaccine I would get such for sure. but it has all the hall marks of being total shit. I don't see one fact of this so called Vaccine working at all.

I am not scared of dying at all, in fact I want to get off this world I have had enough, back in the days busses their was a rope that you would yank on that the bus would stop and let you off remember, well that's me, but it's Stop this world, I want to get off the bastard because I despise what it's becoming, it's a fucking joke how the world has become brain washed new age tossers, the shit that I hear young people claim is totally delusional, They are going to make a new world based on just total shit, I am sure they are on drugs, they are flat out making their own bed. Communism will take care of them, they will need it ! because they can not think for themselves past the present. They are only indoctrinated dupes, that's the what they call the education system, well it's the indoctrination system in fact churning out indoctrinated trash.

I have a brother in law who is a 63yo primary school teacher with 40 years or so experience in the system, I said do you think that their could be any improvement in the system, well he turned to me directly and started swearing about such full on and fell out of his chair for a start. but I am just keeping it short and sweet what he really thinks. haha.
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The one stat which keeps being repeated in Aust, with nobody disputing it, is that not one fully vaccinated person (in Aust.) has died from Covid (i.e. has had both jabs)

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Agree, they work. That is 100% indisputable, anywhere that says otherwise is just tinfoil hat foolish made up rubbish.
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I am not scared of dying at all, in fact I want to get off this world I have had enough, back in the days busses their was a rope that you would yank on that the bus would stop and let you off remember, well that's me, but it's Stop this world, I want to get off the bastard because I despise what it's becoming, it's a fucking joke how the world has become brain washed new age tossers, the shit that I hear young people claim is totally delusional, They are going to make a new world based on just total shit, I am sure they are on drugs, they are flat out making their own bed. Communism will take care of them, they will need it ! because they can not think for themselves past the present. They are only indoctrinated dupes, that's the what they call the education system, well it's the indoctrination system in fact churning out indoctrinated trash.

I have a brother in law who is a 63yo primary school teacher with 40 years or so experience in the system, I said do you think that their could be any improvement in the system, well he turned to me directly and started swearing about such full on and fell out of his chair for a start. but I am just keeping it short and sweet what he really thinks. haha.


I realise that it's a change of topic, but don't start me on the education system. I'm not sure what other states are like, but in NSW it has been 'watered down' so much over the decades that they're turning out kids who are not ready for the real world. All we are getting nowadays is an expensive child minding service !!

What happened to the "three Rs" & a bit of basic history & geography.

Rant over.

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Agree, they work. That is 100% indisputable, anywhere that says otherwise is just tinfoil hat foolish made up rubbish.


A mate of mine comes up to me and says if you get the Covid Jab you will only get a mild case if you get it or when you get itApplause

A experimental so called Vaccine that you still get Covid ? d'oh! Anxious Eh? come on ? I have looked into it all from every position that I can and I do not stick my head in the sand on any issue.

I do not work I am retired and I have all the time in the world to look into anything and I sit and listen to all the propaganda about it all on TV and you now what I am not convinced at all, all I see is propaganda peddled out by the Main Media and BS as well from other forms, I have never got into Facebook right from the start and a mate went off his rocker wanting me to get on to what I clamed was Mugbook and informed him that it stuck out as a Nazi type of tool as far as I am concerned.
I have a Jewish sir name and I am better informed than 99% of the population on such subjects easy, but I am a Christian but I would not piss on any church denomination nowadays because they are so full of shit and not worthy of Christ Jesus at all. fact is the bastards swept child molesters under the carpet for years and I pointed this out to such people in the 80's but they would not listen, they claimed I was the problem for bring such to attention. typical reaction d'oh! , but where were the Media ? well hiding it all in fact and the top of the Police ranks covering it all up totally full on, cops would submit such and up top covered it all up even some cops lost their job for blowing the whistle on such corruption and I seen a good one of such on TV with a cop pointing it all out what he went through, he was commissioned to fined evidence and then he was to hand everything over to up top and ordered to shut up about it all.

Child molesting has been rife in Government circles, I could point out many in the QLD ALP who were caught and ones who wriggled off the hook, even one was the leader of the QLD ALP K Black got locked up.

Satanist for sure are involved in Governments and all, for fuck sake such cunts in VIC support abortion up to 9 months with a healthy baby, but if it's deformed spastic well you have no right to an abortion at all, you have to have it, who wants to be born a spastic, that's satanic cruelty in my books. my mum worked in such a place looking after such and went to adopt one, but then had a nervous brake down and ended up in wally world for a month herself, it's not easy looking after such people dealing with that day after day and my sister worked with the worst of such as well, I know all the story's in dealing with such. not to mention the Government comes out clean, because the majority would not have a clue. as ignorance is bliss !

If the Covid Jab was a true Vaccine I would get the Jab. but who sells one something and says well if you end up fucked up you have no rights to sue for damages ! thank you come again.
Well the dealer does not back up his product in this instance does he, to hell with such I will go look else were, But no you can't ! you have to be corralled through only one door, I am not going to be anyone's nigger.
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