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#1 Posted : Wednesday, 8 September 2021 11:18:15 AM(UTC)
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Just a query about something I've never been able to confirm for certain.

Over the years I've seen many HQ-WB that were originally Aussie 4spd and have had the little extra cut in front of the hole in the tunnel with a small plate over it held by two screws. In all HQ-WB parts catalogues it shows the plate and screws but it only lists a part number for the screws and does not mention the cover plate.

My assumption is only vehicles originally FLOOR shift, possibly only those with bench seat floor shift got this extra cut and cover plate? This would mean CONSOLE shift vehicles would not have the extra cut and the cover plate? Most of the vehicles I have played with over the years that had have been console shift have been auto, with some 4spd. None of those have the extra cut and cover. Where I have normally seen the extra cut and cover plate have been commercials where there is a far higher prevalence of floor shift manual with bench seat. The assumption is the extra cut is to allow a body drop in the Assembly Plant onto the chassis with a bent stick 4spd shifter that the floor shift, bench seat cars had. Console shift 4spd had a straight stick and would not have this problem.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 8 September 2021 11:37:20 AM(UTC)
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I’ll check my WB and Sandman. One is obviously buckets and the WB was originally bench seat floor shift 4 speed.
Why wouldn’t they just pull the shifter at the rubber insulator on the bench seat though?
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Just a query about something I've never been able to confirm for certain.

Over the years I've seen many HQ-WB that were originally Aussie 4spd and have had the little extra cut in front of the hole in the tunnel with a small plate over it held by two screws. In all HQ-WB parts catalogues it shows the plate and screws but it only lists a part number for the screws and does not mention the cover plate.

My assumption is only vehicles originally FLOOR shift, possibly only those with bench seat floor shift got this extra cut and cover plate? This would mean CONSOLE shift vehicles would not have the extra cut and the cover plate? Most of the vehicles I have played with over the years that had have been console shift have been auto, with some 4spd. None of those have the extra cut and cover. Where I have normally seen the extra cut and cover plate have been commercials where there is a far higher prevalence of floor shift manual with bench seat. The assumption is the extra cut is to allow a body drop in the Assembly Plant onto the chassis with a bent stick 4spd shifter that the floor shift, bench seat cars had. Console shift 4spd had a straight stick and would not have this problem.

Thoughts?


My assumption is the same as yours. I've only seen those cut-outs on bench seat 4-speed commercials.

Having done 2 chassis swaps on HQ-HZ vans, the cut-out is exactly in that position& came in very handy.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 8 September 2021 4:24:52 PM(UTC)
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Do you remember what BAP and/or VAP the vans were from Terry? I've also wondered if it was specific to Elizabeth, Pagewood or Acacia Ridge bodies. Not sure about Dandenong but they only ever made ute bodies.
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Too many years ago !! Didn't take any notice at the time.

40 years ago these things were just cheap transport, not like now.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, 8 September 2021 6:37:45 PM(UTC)
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This is a HQ tonner, from underneath.
Cab is full of parts, boves, & junk, so can't get an inside pic at the moment

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4spd bench seat? What body and assembly plants?
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4spd bench seat? What body and assembly plants?


Yes, one tonner, originally 6cyl 4speed & bench seat.

Bonnet is storage area, will try to get more info & let you know

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I found the best reference for this, in the early HQ parts catalogue from later in 1971 when ute, van and cab-chassis were released where the plate actually has a part number, 2820683. Suits manual 801, 802, 803 and 804 except 37. I think the key here is there was no console shift in any of these at this time in 1971 except in Monaro. So it only suits hockey stick style floor shift. Can't post up images here, too hard.
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Why wouldn’t they just pull the shifter at the rubber insulator on the bench seat though?


The rubber insulator was a later addition. Earlier cars were a one piece stick. Not just bench seat cars, all floor shift used the same shifter, and all console shift used another shifter. At the start of HQ up until XV2 (SS) was released all Belmont and Kingswood (and Holden cab-chassis) were floor shift regardless of bench or buckets. The only cars with this luxury/trim level designator the 80337 and 80437 (Monaro) came with console shift if 4spd optioned. All Premier, Statesman and GTS were console shift if optioned or standard with 4spd. It wasn't until later in HQ when XV2 then XV4, XW8 and XX7 were released that console shift became standard on any Belmont or Kingswood or derivative. If GMH hadn't made this extra cut and put a cover plate held down by two screws over it on 80337, 80437, 808, 811, 812, 815 or 816 early in HQ I doubt they would have done it to XV2, XV4, XW8 or XX7 plus later series when console shift was standard or optioned with 4spd.

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#11 Posted : Sunday, 12 September 2021 1:30:38 PM(UTC)
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Just to get this straight, is the extra hole thought to be added (cut out) at the assembly stage?
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No, body plant stage. Same as the shifter hole. Cut looks gas-axe, same as on HK-HG before the shifter mount was added.

I figured out how to add an image. First one you can see the extra cutout, cover and screws. Then on the second refer to section 12.972, the last line.



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