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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 2 June 2009 6:01:43 AM(UTC)
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When is the earliest opel 4 sp?
i am wrecking one with a 4 sp factory and very very low HR adelaide build number?

Also have 186K184xxx, any ideas on month of build?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 2 June 2009 8:22:00 AM(UTC)
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Why wreck it ? is it a Special ? Premier ?

Where are you located ?

The 186K is for a 186S in HR ... 1967 is the year ... month ?

please email me at etanksonline@gmail.com thanks.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 2 June 2009 6:33:39 PM(UTC)
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If its an early build HR, then it cant have had an Opel from the factory.

HRs were released in April 196 but the Opel wasnt available until May 1967. By this time Holden had produced nearly 200,000 of them.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 12:18:49 AM(UTC)
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its a prem wagon. 239 body. the body number is 733A.
had electric rear glass too.
i can email some pics of the floorpan, it all looks factory.
it was purchased off an old guy who owned it for 22 years.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 12:20:27 AM(UTC)
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the tailshaft was extra thick too behind the 4 sp.
the head casting on the 186K is xxxx461, is that correct?
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 12:21:41 AM(UTC)
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quote:
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If its an early build HR, then it cant have had an Opel from the factory.

HRs were released in April 196 but the Opel wasnt available until May 1967. By this time Holden had produced nearly 200,000 of them.

Dr Terry

1001 years doc? Longer production run than the HQs.
Getting the point doc, just plain stupid as we all know you mean 1966.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 1:01:31 AM(UTC)
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1967 - 196 = 1771
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 1:04:53 AM(UTC)
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You got me one, Pinky.

If Mr on the Gear wants to date his HR more accurately, use the chassis number (stamped in the firewall), instead off the body plate number. All the 733A means is that it was the 733th Premier wagon out of Adelaide. Because Prem wagons are built in much smaller numbers than say, Special sedans we have no easy way of knowing when it was made. For Prem wagons 733 is a high number not an very very build low number.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 6:20:37 AM(UTC)
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HRs were a grouse model.

Their disc brake front ends go good in every other early model Holden.

Hooray for HRs
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 6:41:53 AM(UTC)
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I have an opel box, tinplate bottom with casting number on
the side dating it at 1967 which I thought was about right
for the first 186S models
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, 3 June 2009 4:51:51 PM(UTC)
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I know 22 current owner for 22 years sounds good, but that also means he did not own it for 20 years. So buy a VN now and in 22 years sell it as original, any previous owner could have done any number of things to it.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, 6 June 2009 9:02:36 PM(UTC)
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Hi, the opel gear box was avail about 4 weeks prior to the 186S option. So you could get a HR X2 Opel four speed factory car. I believe there is only one that survives.

I have had both, Special 186S Auto, eng 186K186XXX, but I cannot remember the build date.

Also had Premier opel 4 speed sedan at one time.

During this time I collect which would be possibly the largest amount of literture on HR 186S cars, from pre-manufacture data info to car magazines. Even had the chance to speak to Peter Brock regarding him racing the 186S Premier 4 speed at Winton. He was shocked that somebody actually asked him about that.

I was keeping a record of how many were left that was know off. There are not many 4 speeds about.

They are very hard to prove if they are original or not. If you have the log book and it matches thats a start. You check engine cast dates to body numbers for a rough match. Some parts are very unique to the 186S cars, and if you know where to look, you can tell. However, every thing can be replicated, to a point.

I have a very early cast date opel box, by memory it is several months prior to release date. It came out of the Premier wagon from Hobart.The casting is cracked but I keep it due to the cast date.

As for wagons, there was a special some years ago on Cent coast NSW for sale. I have seen a very rare 4 speed Premier wagon (Hobart), power steering, LSD, Elect tail gate and it even had the very rare front tow bar hitch. The car was complete but a guy brought it, stripped the car and now had a V6, elect sunroof and bloody big wheels. It is now stuffed.
Heve seen one auto 186S Premier wagon.

They are the only wagons that I did know of.

Nearly brought a log booked 186S, three speed ute, but could not get the money at the time. Have also heard of on auto ute in 186S.

You have a very rare wagon that needs to be saved and not wrecked, so I hope it goes to a good home. I still have a soft spot for the 186S optioned cars and may be one day I might get the chance to get mine back. I still have alot of NOS parts, including opel 4 speed stuff, just in case.

cheers

Steve (chevnut1@bigpond.com)
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#13 Posted : Saturday, 6 June 2009 10:36:22 PM(UTC)
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i know of a 186s 4 speed premier wagon local to me which hasnt been on the road for well over 25 years...

going to church makes you no more a christian than standing in a garage makes you a car...

www.classicozwreck.com.au
going to church makes you no more a christian than standing in a garage makes you a car...

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, 9 June 2009 3:01:53 AM(UTC)
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Hi Greg, I heve sent you a message.

cheers

Steve
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