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bullitljv8
Quarter Horse
389 Posts |
 Posted - 08/04/2009 : 6:08:58 PM
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Hey warren daryl here from monaro club of s.a i have the chance on purchasing a hq gts coupe in the colour of 13126 etruscan gold met with interior colour of 19y antique brown with black n white houndstooth check inserts would this be a rare colour trim combo as i have never seen one?
regards daryl |
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Warren Turnbull
Vintage Veteran
Australia
1770 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 8:40:45 PM
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19Y is rare in itself.
But when you start lookng at colour and trim combinations, just about anything out of the ordinary can be considered rare. I think the term is way over used, as without full GM-H records we wil never know the truth.
With so many cars modofed it is difficult to see some combinations now.
Warren
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D. A. Barnes
Quarter Horse
Australia
202 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 5:01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Warren Turnbull
19Y is rare in itself.
But when you start lookng at colour and trim combinations, just about anything out of the ordinary can be considered rare. I think the term is way over used, as without full GM-H records we wil never know the truth.
With so many cars modofed it is difficult to see some combinations now.
Warren
Warren
No. Ive looked at lots of HQs as I have one and 19Y is not as you say. How many have you looked at? I know of four around the North Brisbane area alone. 71 cars are the ones to have this trim in them. |
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Warren Turnbull
Vintage Veteran
Australia
1770 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2009 : 8:07:25 PM
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I have no doubt D A Barnes that you have looked at heaps of HQs, as anyone that owns one has more interest and I do admit I am more into the HKs.
And you may have seen three yourself, which in itself is only a few as you would have looked at many hundreds of cars. But what I have that you do not, is the tag details of every Monaro that turned up at the first 5 Monaro nationals, most of the members of the Monaro clubs from around Australia, plus the hundreds of cars that were recorded in the development of the Monaro story and the Monaro register.
So all in all I would say that I have "seen" a few hundred, but your always seem to question my integrity and knowledge, so if you still think I am so wrong so be it.
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Gary Thorpe
Forum Engineer
Australia
309 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2009 : 08:39:15 AM
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Warren,
I get asked all the time about this and that with HD and HR models... especially questions asking about authenticity / what is right & wrong...
In my experience there is NO right and wrong... as it was aperiod where the BUYER WAS ALWAYS RIGHT ... and thus there a combinations / mixes of all kinds of thing people percieve as a modification done over the years.
I have seen an FC with FB interior and know of a very late HD with a 186A in it ! ( its original 179 was defective & 3 months after delivery they only had 186A motors to replace it with... even gave the owner new books with the 186A motor in them ).
Ad to that "dealer specials" ! ... D.A.B. would be best to start his messages with "in my experience"
Okay ... thats enough from me :)
Gary T
Steel Bumpered Auto Promotions
www.hdhrholden.com
http://oldsmobilesdownunder.multiply.com |
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we wreck 81837s only
Vintage Veteran
Italy
2214 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2009 : 08:47:56 AM
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| well said gary, that last sentence hit it right on the head.... "in my experience"... perfect |
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Warren Turnbull
Vintage Veteran
Australia
1770 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2009 : 09:34:29 AM
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You are so right Garry, many cars were custom built to order, Suttons in Sydney is a classic example. They ordered hundreds of cars and when a customer came in they would "build" a car for them from the cars out the back. It was very interesting talking to the service mechanic from Suttons in the 60s, just some of the things they did. This practice stopped in with the HQ, as it was not as easy any more to change things like disc brake fronts.
This even happened with a HG Moanro that turned up in 2002, it was a one family owner with 10X on the tag but had 15Z trim. he trim was "swapped" with another car in the showromm, without the owners knowledge. The buyer wanted the engine gearbox combo, but also liked the 15Z trim, so the dealer "ordered" it for them, took a few days but they got it.
What my comment was on was how many of these cars GM-H built, not how many have been changed to that, so as we recorded tag details that is all I have gone off.
The other thing is that what is rare in some places is common in others, infact there is even a Holden colour chart that states, "some colours are not availbale in all areas, consult with your Holden detail about colour availability". SO if you are in an area that was not allowed to have a certain colour, you would think it was rare, when in fact it might be quite common somewhere else. (it does not list which colours unfortunatley)
Anyway I think the term rare is over rated, as it may have been rare once but now common, for example there are few 6 cylinder GTSs left even though they were quite common at one stage, and if you go to an EH Nationals there are far more Premiers as a percentage than what was ever produced.
The data that I hold, or anyone else for that matter, is full of holes, the only true way to find out would be to have full GM-H records (which I stated above), but I can not see that ever happening for pre VN commodore. We are fortunate enough to have HQ to HZ records, but even then the info is very limited. But for those who have seen them, it is understandable why Suttons had to stop what they were doing in the pre HQ era.
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D. A. Barnes
Quarter Horse
Australia
202 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2009 : 7:50:25 PM
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Originally posted by Warren Turnbull
So all in all I would say that I have "seen" a few hundred, but your always seem to question my integrity and knowledge, so if you still think I am so wrong so be it.
Warren
Warren,
Are you saying you have seen a few hundred HQ GTSs with Y interiors?? Im sure you are telling the truth with regard to the numbers of Monaros you have on file, but how come you dont know about the ones I have given Ben Stewart with a 19Y interior?
I still say you are wrong because I know you are wrong. Maybe we could see a little less bull on your next turn. |
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D. A. Barnes
Quarter Horse
Australia
202 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2009 : 7:55:23 PM
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Originally posted by Gary Thorpe
Ad to that "dealer specials" ! ... D.A.B. would be best to start his messages with "in my experience"
Okay ... thats enough from me :)
Gary T
Steel Bumpered Auto Promotions
www.hdhrholden.com
http://oldsmobilesdownunder.multiply.com
Gary,
If it were "in my experience" I would have started like that. A fact is a fact whether we all like it or not. When information is known to be wrong it should be pointed out as such. Im just trying to help out forum participants who may have been mislead by information posted on here, thats all. |
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Warren Turnbull
Vintage Veteran
Australia
1770 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2009 : 8:49:04 PM
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At no stage did I say they did not exist or that I was unaware of the ones you passed onto Ben Stewart.
But if you say I am wrong in the stats I have then so be it.
So I shall rephrase my statement, "in the time that I have been looking at HQs I have found very few 19Y trims as a percentage (you questioned how many I looked at I go on percentage not number of individual combination), but others with much more knowledge and experience than me might have other information."
But a little less bull in my next turn? nice use of my name. I shall reframe from personal abuse and turning your name into an acranym, but it does make a good one, not a very nice one but a good one.
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D. A. Barnes
Quarter Horse
Australia
202 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2009 : 07:53:33 AM
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Hi Warren,
DA could be "dont argue" or it could be "deadly accurate". I feel you took my comments out of text given the nature in which you have replied. This forum is supposed to be an information exchange and discussion venue, not an outlet to tell porkies. This is just my view. |
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shifty350
Quarter Horse
Australia
181 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:08:20 PM
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Dear D A,
As far as I am concerned, D A could stand for deadly accurate (as mentioned), delightful advice, dedicated ambassador, decisively analytical, and so on. Keep up the good work.
T |
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we wreck 81837s only
Vintage Veteran
Italy
2214 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:15:09 PM
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Originally posted by shifty350
Dear D A,
As far as I am concerned, D A could stand for deadly accurate (as mentioned), delightful advice, dedicated ambassador, decisively analytical, and so on. Keep up the good work.
T
benny, or micky, where do you get the above info???? the same place you got the results of the bidding for the HT at the goodmans auction????? |
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MrPink
Quarter Horse
Italy
241 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:20:33 PM
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| Getting the picture yet Frank? |
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Custom
Quarter Horse
333 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:23:12 PM
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This gets me very angry. D.A.Barnes is questioning the guru.
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86 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:26:03 PM
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| As Brians mum said in The Life Of Brian, "Hes not the messiah hes just a naughty boy" |
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we wreck 81837s only
Vintage Veteran
Italy
2214 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:26:07 PM
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| D.A may be very knowledgable, but it always seems to be his way or the highway..its prolly bens brother, or warrens father in law, still pissed of with him for getting his daughter!!!! |
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MrPink
Quarter Horse
Italy
241 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:27:40 PM
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Originally posted by we wreck 81837s only
D.A may be very knowledgable, but it always seems to be his way or the highway..its prolly bens brother, or warrens father in law, still pissed of with him for getting his daughter!!!!
Man I would be mighty pissed if he got my daughter! |
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we wreck 81837s only
Vintage Veteran
Italy
2214 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:30:39 PM
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Originally posted by MrPink
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Originally posted by we wreck 81837s only
D.A may be very knowledgable, but it always seems to be his way or the highway..its prolly bens brother, or warrens father in law, still pissed of with him for getting his daughter!!!!
Man I would be mighty pissed if he got my daughter!
hahahahhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, exactly my point |
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shifty350
Quarter Horse
Australia
181 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:32:26 PM
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Hello we wreck 81837s only,
Was just joining in on some brain exercising fun here. D A could stand for a lot of things, but these examples came to mind. If one were to just read the thread topic the question could be asked, "what are they calling Warren Turnbull"? That being the case, I would call him a friend, a fellow Holden enthusiast, a good bloke, and so on. Some might call his bluff, but in response to the 19Y HQ trim issue from bullitljv8 it would appear that a more accurate answer is being called for.
Perhaps all posters should only ever use their correct and real names and correct and real answers to members questions?
Tony Michael
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MrPink
Quarter Horse
Italy
241 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2009 : 8:34:10 PM
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Originally posted by Custom
This gets me very angry. D.A.Barnes is questioning the guru.
Think about it custom, the guru may not be a guru, and D.A.Barnes just maybe? Food for thought. |
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calling warren turnball