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#1 Posted : Monday, 17 April 2017 12:28:00 PM(UTC)
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I was talking to some car club people recently about the loss of car manufacturing in Australia, and accuracy of restored cars.
I thought I'd just crunch a few numbers. Happy to have any of the assumptions below corrected or challenged.

The heyday of car manufacturing in Australia seems to have been in the late '60s/early 70s, so I chose the HT as an example.
It ran for just a bit over 12 months, and during that time a total of just over 183,000 were produced.
The production volume was split about 30%/30%/20%/15%/5% between Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth locations respectively.
Just to choose one plant as an example, Dandenong, the numbers look something like:

Weeks of production: 50 (Assuming some plant shutdowns for holidays etc)
Share of HT Volume: 183000 x 0.3 = 54,900 cars produced.
Volume per week: 54,900/50 = 1098
Volume per day: 219

219 cars per day. Just imagine how that actually looks. For around a 10 hour shift, 22 cars per hour, or more than one every 3 minutes.
Ignoring the parts GM-H produced themselves, the volume of parts produced by outside vendors is incredible. eg:

Wheels: 1,095 per day.
Wheel nuts: 4,380 per day
5/16" UNC fender bolts: 7,884 per day.
Assorted spring clips: 43,800 per day.
Assorted rubber weatherstrips: 3,942 per day.
etc etc.

And that's for one plant, representing 30% of the total GM-H requirement.
Someone had to design those parts, draw them, order them, source the material, make them, transport them, and store them before they ever got bolted on a car.

The number of people outside of GM-H involved must have been enormous, particularly with so many of the systems manual - no email, no computerised production systems, no business to business ecommerce. All pen and paper.
50 years later I marvel that they were actually able to achieve it. Every day.

It tends to explain why we see so many variations on cars we are restoring these days - the daily scramble for parts to finish cars would explain a lot.

I know current production volumes are low by comparison, but even today I'm not sure the full ramifications of sending all those jobs overseas is fully understood.


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#2 Posted : Monday, 17 April 2017 2:56:05 PM(UTC)
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Ben and I discussed this a few years back. I work in the Hunter Valley Coal chain, and when you look at the massive logistics for that with the help of modern communications and computers. Then imagine the enormity of the GMH sphere and logistics to have 5 x local assembly locations plus all the overseas assembly locations, throw in assembly of Chev, Bedford etc all with 1960's and 70's communications and computing and it is mind blowing. There must have been 1000's of people employed alone simply in logistics getting all required parts from their source and then onto trains and ships to supply the upcoming schedule for each assembly location. Then also throw in back freight like Torana bodies from Acacia Ridge back to Pagewood, van and cab-chassis bodies from Elizabeth to Dandenong and Pagewood, all bodies from Elizabeth to Mosman park etc, get them and all parts there just in time for assembly is astronomical. Then later to also schedule in freight of LH Torana from Dandenong to all locations, Statesmans to all locations from Pagewood etc.

So when you think about all the jobs lost from both GMH manufacturing and also all the small parts cottage industries in Victoria and South Australia that made all the little bits and pieces for GMH/Ford/AMI/Chrysler etc, also think about all the maintenance on the transport equipment, track maintenance, schedulers etc etc. Even those who built the wagons to carry the freight, people who maintained all the cottage industry equipment, supplied consumables and even those who manufactured those consumables. A lot of that has all long gone starting from closure of Acacia Ridge and Pagewood in the early 80's, then the final closure of Dandenong once GMH stopped assembling Corollas and Novas. As far as i'm aware GMH also stamped all Nissan's panels for local assembly like Skyline, Pintara, Pulsar etc so that has all long gone too. And the locally made steel Industry to use in them all.

It is the final nail in going from a smart country to eventually becoming a dumb one.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, 19 April 2017 7:55:56 AM(UTC)
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One of the most worrying things about the loss of the vehicle industry in Australia comes when you look at what has happened to cities in the U.S when vehicle production shuts down. A good example is South Bend, Indiana which was the home of Studebaker. When the plant closed in 1963, nothing ever came along to replace it and the old timers say that South Bend has never really recovered from the loss. After 50 years of nothing, there are moves to use the space occupied by the plant for new business ventures, but thats a long time to wait for the void to be filled.
Will Elizabeth still be suffering from the Holden closure 50 years from now? I really hope not, but examples like this from other cities that have lost a key employer would make it seem a real possibility.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 19 April 2017 9:45:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jul71-Oct74 Go to Quoted Post
One of the most worrying things about the loss of the vehicle industry in Australia comes when you look at what has happened to cities in the U.S when vehicle production shuts down. A good example is South Bend, Indiana which was the home of Studebaker. When the plant closed in 1963, nothing ever came along to replace it and the old timers say that South Bend has never really recovered from the loss. After 50 years of nothing, there are moves to use the space occupied by the plant for new business ventures, but thats a long time to wait for the void to be filled.
Will Elizabeth still be suffering from the Holden closure 50 years from now? I really hope not, but examples like this from other cities that have lost a key employer would make it seem a real possibility.


Just look at the USA GM and Ford plants that have closed down and all the towns that are derelict.
But the thing is that new plants are being built in Asia or 3rd worlds to help create work for them, not to mention it's cheaper and they don't have all the red tape or unions or super to deal with.
It's just smart business, and the country's 1st world governments don't want them anyway, look at our fuel refinery's the gov don't want them or making steel here, our gov don't want any of it.
Our vote means nothing because our gov is under the control of the NWO and our sovereignty is going to be worthless with no borders and we are going to be a one world people controlled by one World government.
That's Socialism everyone must be equal is the motto.
The whole thing will crash and burn because it's all built on lies.
Political Correctness is it's god, don't offend PCness or look out or the degenerates will go on the attack. I have never met one person who was equal to another, equal under God yes that's a fact, but under the Law well that's not a fact in reality.
The PC gov keep spinning shit to people and we keep swallowing it all, fact is if they did the job correctly that they are voted in with, that means looking after the peoples best interest first and foremost, if they don't do that it's derelict of duty and should be given the arse directly.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, 29 April 2017 7:55:43 AM(UTC)
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I watched a show on all this a while back and the powers to be think the only way for Australia to go is a service driven economy rather than a manufacturing one....The Brits tried this and it failed so they have started manufacturing again.....

I have done some touring up through the north of NSW and all those Tobacco towns are all but closed down...There is not one farmer growing tobacco there anymore.Towns like Ashford, Bingara and the likes....Its sad to see..Same thing is happening with the irrigation water licences...the small money/family is selling his water off to the multi nationals and the local economy suffers then up go the boards on the local shop windows....I stopped at a town and was the only person in the RSL club....They gave the caravan park keys out....I bet its closed next time I go back.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, 29 April 2017 2:49:39 PM(UTC)
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A lot of our orange tree growers and other fruit growing have had to toss in the towel.

You can't get the people on welfare to work and nor will the towel heads who have come over illegally, they did not come here to work but only to get the red carpet treatment and treated like royalty and they even say it's true and they wave others of their mob, oh come to Australia they give you everything and you don't have to work, free hospital, dental, payed to have kids, given a house to rent and given $40000 for a car, so a dole bludger I know says, who has rorted the system for 37 years.

Look at all the people who came to Australia before the 1970's who lived in the camps and I remember they got nothing anything like this pandered mob do nowadays and they never did burn the places down and I never heard them carry on complaining, not to mention no one would give a toss if you did any road.

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