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Once upon a time (55 years ago next Friday), on an island far, far away, there was a motor race. Only one V8 was entered, and it was also the only American vehicle. It fared badly. Who said pommy cars were not reliable? (Admittedly, it was built by GM-H) 
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The Customline did finish though albeit about 20th? The very first race of its kind and there was and is still controversy over who won! Was it 37D or 34C? At least there is no controversy over the other two years of it at Phillip Island with the old Fox featuring in both wins and then "doing a Brock" with a triple winning the first race at Bathurst! Edited by user Wednesday, 11 November 2015 1:30:35 PM(UTC)
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I used to race one (speedway bombers) in a previous life. Looking back it was a waste of restorable car. Back in 1981, it was just another unwanted old car.
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Originally Posted by: HK1837  The Customline did finish though albeit about 20th? The very first race of its kind and there was and is still controversy over who won! Was it 37D or 34C?
At least there is no controversy over the other two years of it at Phillip Island with the old Fox featuring in both wins and then "doing a Brock" with a triple winning the first race at Bathurst! You can understand the controversy over the 1960 race though. When you have a race where they don't start all of the cars at same time (they started them in class groups) how do you classify the winner ? Is it first over the line or the car that took the least time to finish the required laps ? That's a question that nobody can answer. In regards to Harry's hat trick, what about Bob Jane ? He went on to win again in 1964 (this time without Harry, who drove a lower class car) & is still today the only driver to have ever won 4 in a row !! Dr Terry Edited by user Wednesday, 11 November 2015 3:14:43 PM(UTC)
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I was pit crew for that car on the weekend at Sandown historics, (it's a Vauxhall PA Cresta, for those that don't know) and I thought the timing was appropriate, particularly given my disparaging remarks about pommy cars in the past. All I needed for the entire weekend was a wheelbrace, a tire pressure gauge and a chamios. The reason for the dispute about the "winner" is that there was never intended to be an outright winner recognised; rather, it was a competition of 5 classes with 5 winners. No particular attention was paid to the 30 second starting gaps between the classes. The concept of an outright winner for the 1960 race only appeared years later. The Customline actually won class E, since it finished and was the only car in that class. Edited by user Wednesday, 11 November 2015 9:08:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gm5735
The reason for the dispute about the "winner" is that there was never intended to be an outright winner recognised; rather, it was a competition of 5 classes with 5 winners. No particular attention was paid to the 30 second starting gaps between the classes. The concept of an outright winner for the 1960 race only appeared years later.
AFAIK 'class winners' & 'line honours' was how it was done up until 1965 or there abouts. There were a lot of strange rules such as who was allowed to work on the car in the pits & what tools were allowed etc. This is a good read:- http://www.automotobooks...aditional-years-results/ Dr Terry |
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Guys, just out of interest there were 173,759 PA Crestas made and according to the UK Vehicle licensing agency, there are only 290 left. Sad.
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Originally Posted by: Jul71-Oct74 Guys, just out of interest there were 173,759 PA Crestas made and according to the UK Vehicle licensing agency, there are only 290 left. Sad. The 290 'left' would only be those still registered for road use in the UK. The ones in sheds unregistered are not counted & the ones in Australia (reg & unreg) aren't counted either. Also would the 173,759 'Crestas made' include the CKD units built here & perhaps in NZ ? Dr Terry |
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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry Originally Posted by: gm5735
The reason for the dispute about the "winner" is that there was never intended to be an outright winner recognised; rather, it was a competition of 5 classes with 5 winners. No particular attention was paid to the 30 second starting gaps between the classes. The concept of an outright winner for the 1960 race only appeared years later.
AFAIK 'class winners' & 'line honours' was how it was done up until 1965 or there abouts. There were a lot of strange rules such as who was allowed to work on the car in the pits & what tools were allowed etc. This is a good read:- http://www.automotobooks...aditional-years-results/ Dr Terry It is a good read alright. The nature of motor racing is that everyone wants to know who "won". The rules for the first Armstrong 500, which was classed as a 500 mile endurance race, included, amongst other things, the requirement for the cars to be Australian built or assembled production vehicles, for only the drivers to repair the cars for the first 100 miles, and the stipulation that there would be no overall winner, only Class awards. This is recognised in, for example the 2015 CAMS Manual of Motorsport. Notice specifically Note 2:  The question of who "won" was addressed of behalf of CAMS in 1992 by Graham Hoinville, a former rally buddy of Harry Firth, and a terrific bloke as well. Graham had access to the original lap charts from 1960, and you can find an excerpt from his report on the Peugeot Car Club of Victoria web site here: www.pccv.org/wp-content/...3/07/1stArmstrong500.pdfBased on that report, it wasn't even close. I know there are still few PA Crestas still around here, and a few more in NZ, as they were assembled from CKD packs in NZ as well. There are probably plenty left in the UK that wouldn't pass the annual MOT test, so don't appear in the registration numbers.
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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry Originally Posted by: Jul71-Oct74 Guys, just out of interest there were 173,759 PA Crestas made and according to the UK Vehicle licensing agency, there are only 290 left. Sad. The 290 'left' would only be those still registered for road use in the UK. The ones in sheds unregistered are not counted & the ones in Australia (reg & unreg) aren't counted either. Also would the 173,759 'Crestas made' include the CKD units built here & perhaps in NZ ? Dr Terry Guys, I suspcct that the 173,759 figure represents UK first registrations only, so agree that there will be more around the world not counted. If you want to know more about what is known to still exist in the UK for all makes and models, the website www.howmanyleft.co.uk has government figures on cars that are registered for road use as well as those that are known to exist, but are currently off the road. Since 2007,over here, you can no longer just put a car in a garage or shed and leave it there. You have to declare SORN which is Statutory Off Road Notification. This tells the authorities that the car still exists and that you are the legal owner, but that you have no intention of using it on public roads until further notice. Looking at their figures, PA Crestas are getting very thin on the ground. I've seen some great examples at the all G.M day over here, but never actually seen one on the road.
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