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HQ 4 Door Monaros - The true worth?
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#21 Posted : Monday, 18 January 2010 11:25:17 AM(UTC)
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I agree with you Byron, and its not only in the Torana world. The Monaro world can have some pretty anal people and at a car show this can be blown way out of proportion. I met a bloke last year with a Sandman who was adamant his car was the only one in Perth that had a certain type of covering on the back and the car that beat him was not original blah blah blah. People will poo poo other peoples pride and joy over insignificent and barely detectable faults in cars that in some cases are over 40 years old. I hate it. I usually park my car were it is going at a show and walk away, leaving people to it. That way they can say what they want and I dont have to hear it. Admire a car as it is and how its been built and pay what you think it is worth to you. That 350 for sale is very cool but wouldnt the Barbados green one for 56K be better. I have been looking at that car for a while now and have had a crack at the missus a couple of times for a green light but so far she is holding fast. It is slowly coming down in price.


is this the sandman your refering too?http://gallery.oldholden.com/Mr_Jones/Paint+Colours/HJ/Deauville+Blue/HJ+Sandman+Deauville.JPG.html


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#22 Posted : Tuesday, 19 January 2010 2:07:04 AM(UTC)
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Yes Adam as a matter of fact it does. The back interior should be black. He was a nice enough fella but just did my head in.
The GTS/4 is a Monaro. Period. Right or Wrong, Black or White, Ying or Yang
Holden stuck the badge on it, they made it, they named it.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, 19 January 2010 2:39:26 AM(UTC)
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It certainly is a Monaro, but it should never have been. They should have stuck with SS, after all they went back to it in VH and its still there. Itd still leave the LX SS as an orphan though but not having a 4 door Monaro does nothing to change that.

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, 19 January 2010 3:01:54 AM(UTC)
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Andrew

It certainly is a Monaro, but it should never have been. They should have stuck with SS, after all they went back to it in VH and its still there. Itd still leave the LX SS as an orphan though but not having a 4 door Monaro does nothing to change that.
Ive always thought the same. But & its a big but, would you call it a Kingswood GTS (for naming continuity), GTS (as they did with HZ), Kingswood SS or just SS.

As strange as it may sound I favour Kingswood GTS. What are your thoughts, or have I opened a new can of worms.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, 19 January 2010 4:24:16 AM(UTC)
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GTO?...Na! I like SS

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#26 Posted : Tuesday, 19 January 2010 5:17:08 AM(UTC)
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SS I think , The HQ SS was Holdens first SS , maybe the SS Torana should have kept the GTR logo !
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, 19 January 2010 5:19:54 AM(UTC)
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We may not be having this discussion if 1:coupes never went out of fasion 2: public demand for a 4 door sport machine.
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#28 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 3:16:11 AM(UTC)
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Byron your kinda right, but I am glad they stopped the HQSS as it makes it kinda in its own right a little bit unique.
Having only 3 colours its like people that like the P76, or a 1964 landrover.Your a little bit different.There is heaps of Monaros from K to J but maybe not that many SSs left. they might not be desirable to the mainstream holden lover, but in our little SS world they are the kings.
I am glad they named the GTS/4 Monaro as it is a cracking looking car and needed a strong name.
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#29 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 4:44:12 AM(UTC)
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Andrew

It certainly is a Monaro, but it should never have been. They should have stuck with SS, after all they went back to it in VH and its still there. Itd still leave the LX SS as an orphan though but not having a 4 door Monaro does nothing to change that.
Ive always thought the same. But & its a big but, would you call it a Kingswood GTS (for naming continuity), GTS (as they did with HZ), Kingswood SS or just SS.

As strange as it may sound I favour Kingswood GTS. What are your thoughts, or have I opened a new can of worms.

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I wish they stayed with SS, but my second choice would be just GTS like in HZ. So youd end up with Monaro, Monaro LS and Monaro GTS and in the 4 doors Belmont, Kingswood, Premier and GTS.

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#30 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 8:38:24 AM(UTC)
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to AndrewSS....TruBlu with a 253 4 speed in Infra Red, Ultra Violet or Lettuce Alone is priceless in my opinion but I am a bit bias. That would make it an SS going by colour. As Lettuce Alone was what the original owner wanted but he missued the "SS" boat. He went for a GTS/4 in Barbados Green instead ! me happy !
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#31 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 8:57:48 AM(UTC)
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They were originally going to call it Kingswood coupe and GTS coupe, the 327 was just an option. Had the name Monaro not been suggested then we would not have a problem, it would be just GTS coupe and GTS sedan. but then we would be talking about GTS should be for coupe only.

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#32 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 4:10:47 PM(UTC)
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AndrewSS,is right it is called a monaro as that is the name given,also the prices for the SS and GTS/4 are starting to climb up again I think.

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#33 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 6:09:31 PM(UTC)
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Ok. Ill show my noobness here, just what was the difference between the HQ GTS/4 and the HQ SS?

Was it only subtle markings/interior or was there also driveline refinements etc?
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#34 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 7:37:39 PM(UTC)
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HQ SS was a Belmont. GTS 4 door was a Kingswood. Plus the paint colours and scheme and many other things.

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#35 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 8:18:04 PM(UTC)
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Ok. Ill show my noobness here, just what was the difference between the HQ GTS/4 and the HQ SS?

Was it only subtle markings/interior or was there also driveline refinements etc?


OK, the SS was a limited build model to test the market for a 4-door sports sedan & was released for the Sydney Motor Show in late 1972. Previous Holden sports models all had 2 doors.

It was based on a 253 Belmont sedan & got M20 4-speed, buckets seats, centre console, GTS guards, road wheels, instruments & steering wheel. It had unique black-outs on the bonnet & boot id as well as SS decals. Being a Belmont it was still pretty basic inside, it had no door armrests but it did get carpet. They all had a black interior with cloth inserts (2 styles) & a choice of only 3 exterior paint colours - Infra Red, Lettuce Alone & Ultra Violet.

With the success of the SS, GM-H went ahead in early 1973 & released a 4-door Monaro GTS. The GTS/4-door was equipped basically to the same level as the Monaro GTS coupe & was based on a Kingswood sedan. At this same time, GM-H took the opportunity to upgrade the GTS range with bonnet black-outs & altered badges etc. Unlike the SS, the GTS could be optioned with 253, 308 or 350 engines & automatic transmission, along with all the regular stuff like power steer, a/cond, power windows etc. It was also available in many exterior & interior colour combinations.

The story is much more than this, but the above is a good brief starter.

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#36 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 9:56:24 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for that Dr Terry, its hand information to know.

There were never any HJ/Z etc SSs were there?
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#37 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 10:44:18 PM(UTC)
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There were never any HJ/Z etc SSs were there?

Correct.

By the way, you could buy my book, it has all of this stuff listed & heaps more.

Ive listed every official Holden model ever sold, as well as HDT & HSV cars.

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#38 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 11:42:38 PM(UTC)
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I like your style lol.

Whats the name of it, and where can I find it? (QLD)
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#39 Posted : Wednesday, 20 January 2010 11:58:41 PM(UTC)
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I like your style lol.

Whats the name of it, and where can I find it? (QLD)

60 Years of Holden

Try here:- http://www.topgear.com.a...type=booksandaccessories

or here:- http://www.pitstop.net.a...s/page/query/plu/21948/:

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#40 Posted : Thursday, 21 January 2010 12:17:56 AM(UTC)
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The HQ SS was Belmont base with cloth seats, GTS parts and special paint. (carpet, 253, 4 speed etc were all optional on the belmont)

GTS/4 was Kingswood base with Premier equipment and GTS equipment. Door trims in SS were Belmont, but in GTS they were Premier. Kingswood was N/A with power windows, but GTS/4 could be ordered with them. Same with the 350 engine. So the GTS/4 may have been base model Kingswood, but there was a lot more to it than the SS.

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