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#1 Posted : Wednesday, 11 July 2018 8:57:51 PM(UTC)
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Hi HK1837

Firstly apologies for contacting you in this method by hijacking soomeone else’s thread - i tried to private message but your inbox is full.

I Stumbled upon you via a few google searches in regards to HK 327 Monaro’s

My old man has just purchased a nice genuine 81837 on the weekend - series one 1968. Seems mostly there, deceased estate car that has been shedded & not driven for some time. Threw a battery in her, tipped some fuel down the carby and within 10 seconds of crank time she was back into life.

Body is pretty good considering the time since it has seen use and obviously the paint and body you’re looking at is 20+ years old minimum so its not freshly camflagoued stuff.

Anyway the gripe we have so far in is that the original engine was replaced early in its life with a warmed over 327 with extractors and non original intake manifold, carby etc. No idea being deceased estate where the original engine may have ended up yet that doesn’t mean it may not come to fruition later on - someone always knows the history if you dig deep enough.

I’m wondering if you can help me as to an approximate engine number this car would have had from new???

It is an Adelaide built car, the body number is approx 225 from memory so i’m unsure what that equates to for build date? Couldn’t find the build date on any tags at the time.

I’m aware of the casting numbers I’m chasing and the engine number needs to start with “327” and end in ‘H5’ but that’s about all my knowledge so far

Really appreciate any help you can offer me!
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 11 July 2018 10:22:45 PM(UTC)
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Probably best to start another thread. Just remember though that there is no such thing as a "Series One" HK. GMH referred to the 327 engines as type 1 and type 2, or as I call them the US 327 (or Chevrolet 327) and the Canadian 327. Being 225-A though it will be close to having a Canadian engine, possibly just sneaks into the earlier cars. Rigpig here has an Elizabeth (I think it is an Elizabeth car) transition HK GTS327 with the Canadian 327 but built in December 1968.

If you don't have your original I wouldn't waste huge $ on getting the wrong engine for it though, you are looking for one of maybe 200 maximum ever put into a HK if you want the right assembly plant engine. If you find one you might be out of pocket $10-$15k just for a block, then all the rest just adds up on top of that. Don't be surprised if a carby costs you $15k either, but be aware of fakes around - saw one the other day. I'd avoid the hassle and just find period correct stuff, an identical block, heads and inlet to what was in a 327 but from a US vehicle will cost you $200 for the lot. A 7028213 carby will be less than $200 landed here, almost the same carby but built for 1968 model year rather than 1967. I picked up a US 7027213 DZ carby the other day for $75, only difference is it was built 2 weeks after the HK ones (so wrong date code).

Edit - did some more research for you.

If the car is 225-A it is a Canadian 327, will be around April 1969. Chassis number will be up around HK50xxxAA, could possibly be HK50181AA or HK50235AA. The Body ID plate is probably a HT style plate too.

So you are looking for an Elizabeth stamped Canadian 327, which is a whole order or magnitude harder again as you are looking for one of maybe 70-90 engines ever made. Just finding a Canadian HK engine out of a car is impossible, let alone one from Elizabeth. I remember about 10 years ago Phil Bartolo rang me all excited that he had finally found a HK Canadian 327 actually out of a car (a Dandenong car). He had never had one, which shows you how hard to find they are. He was shocked I had a Pagewood engine out of a car too, and remember that between them Dandenong and Pagewood probably made 75-80% of these cars. If you are going original hopefully you have the heads as these are not easy to find. The intake is the same as a HT manual or auto but the casting date needs to be earlier. Exhaust manifolds are a mismatch, and the carbs are not easy to find either as they are unique to Australia, although a US 7029203 DY is pretty close to right, although a lot of these around in the USA are carter built Quadrajets and not Rochester, so the numbers are upside down and the date code is not a Julien code but done by month from memory.

Here is a Carter version of the same thing but a 1968 carby: http://www.camaros.org/i.../carb/carb_7028213dy.jpg

Not that it really matters though as a Canadian HK 327 had no date code or broadcast sheet code just a unique number for Australia.

Edited by user Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:59:22 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#3 Posted : Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:15:56 AM(UTC)
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