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#21 Posted : Friday, 10 March 2017 6:27:28 AM(UTC)
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The audience share for cars is larger than farm machinery for sure. But no less important to the manufacturers or buyers. I just can't see how it's not relevant. Different yes, the machines are not what highly urbanised people see. But they don't need to either. Get into the market where this stuff is essential though and it's just the same.
If you get down to tin tacks, not having the figures, farm machinery on its own may be a smaller turnover world wide than automotive but it may not. Would be interesting to know.
JD do own Waratah. They build logging gear. That's a bit like GM buying Honda motorcycles out and then saying that are a similar product because they have wheels. JD and Chamberlain were building the same products for the same market share.
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#22 Posted : Friday, 10 March 2017 6:28:19 AM(UTC)
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Does it really matter though? What would be sold by the Holden Company after this year would have zero relevance to the historical Holden, and I can't imagine any significant demographic of buyer showing brand loyalty. You all know how passionate I am about the original Holden vehicles, and I don't even own a Holden vehicle today any newer than my HJ Premier. My last modern Holden was the V2 CV8 that went a few years back as I simply was not using it. Holden simply do not sell a vehicle in the ballpark of vehicles that fit my needs (they sell nothing in the same market as my SR5 V6 Hilux, RX350 Lexus and DR650SE bike) and I suspect that many would be in the same position as the growing market segments are dual cab utes and SUV's and Holden do not have a decent example of either. After this year they will not even sell a vehicle I actually want - I'd love a VFII SSV ute but it cannot tow over 1600kg thus of no use to me.
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#23 Posted : Friday, 10 March 2017 8:31:52 AM(UTC)
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Sentiment alone wasn't enough to save Pontiac. Or Oldsmobile, or Oakland...
Pontiac was selling rebadged Chevrolets at the end, which may be Holdens future too.
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#24 Posted : Friday, 10 March 2017 11:48:44 AM(UTC)
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Or Chrysler in Australia. We ended up with Sigmas. Actually Holden is following Chryslers example.
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#25 Posted : Friday, 10 March 2017 11:57:06 AM(UTC)
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Brand loyalty ? some people are that way regardless due to simple minded stupid prejudice, I have a mate like that Holden's are the best and Honda bikes were the best, but I got him into Husaberg dirt bikes, now he says that Honda bikes from say year 2000 on are all rubbish.

I think all brands go through good product years to not so good products, they made it great or not so good in the market.
look at the fuel company's they sell oil and other products and I could not pick a brand and say that that brand sells the best products in everything, I have always seen that each brand sells something that is good or great and something that is crap to total crap, 2 stroke oil is one that sticks out like dogs balls, chain oil and even spark plugs, with dirt bikes NGK is the best I would never use anything other than NGK, if I had to use Champion or others I would get rid of it with in the month, because I maybe 100KM from anywhere riding at times out in the bush and others who come out riding would cop a dressing down if found without a NGK plug.

One thing is backup of parts and how they deal with any problems, it's no good having a 5 year warranty if they f you around not to mention do people truly understand that warranty it maybe next to worthless in reality.
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#26 Posted : Saturday, 3 June 2017 3:35:04 PM(UTC)
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Think you guys are getting old to quick, if you's had have moved quicker when the last Holden was made in 1984 with the WB, instead you's kept supporting the Opel with a Holden badge, Toyota have been here since around 1958 designing an automobile, starting with the FJ25 and in 1985 became a FJ75/HJ75, today it's the VDJ76/78/79, it is the True Aussie, leaf spring rear, coil front live axle. Aussie and the Kiwi's got the V8, and now South Africa, can't even get the V8 in Japan, they got a V6 in their 70 series in 2015, and that was after a 15 year no 70 series.Even comes in a panel van in the guise of a troupe carrier, talk about yank import's. Read what they say about these 70 series in the USA, seems they are being exported out of Aussie to the good old US of A, and if you have never driven one then try they are bloody wicked. They made the duel cab just for us first. It's our iron ore that makes these 70 series VDJ's and it's us they build them for. I tow a car trailer loaded at a 130/140 kph cruise, the Troopy is fast becoming a cult, Troop Carrier's of Australia is an example. If one is a lounge lizard then you get a 200 series, they may suit you old folk more. In the cities like (not including Brisbane) "Melbourne" {coffee culture folk) you don't see VDJs they drive automobiles that have the most amount of cup holders, my 2007 VDJ V8 has NO cup holders, no ABS, no traction control and one computer that runs the engine, so I get to drive Her, I change gears when I want. She is as close to an Aussie car as a US inspired HQ and i luv HQ's. But for real, was a dummy door Opel with a 1955 inspired V8 or 1962 V6 Buick engine every an Australian Icon "I don't think so old Man.

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#27 Posted : Saturday, 3 June 2017 4:41:32 PM(UTC)
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The first FX Holden was inspired by Opel mainly, as it is the closest thing to it.

The Toyota FJ25 has it roots in a Chev 6 cyl.
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#28 Posted : Saturday, 3 June 2017 7:56:00 PM(UTC)
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hey,qutes where do you think my 1986 fj75 tray with a wb blue 308 conversion sits on the all aussie built list.
and yes i'm getting older!
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#29 Posted : Monday, 3 July 2017 5:51:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: castellan Go to Quoted Post
What's a PSA group.

Holden maybe finished all together sooner then we thought.

Everything looks like WW3 is on the cards, China is building up for war and makes huge threat's all the time.

USA is on life support because it was lead by deception for years into becoming bankrupt backward shit hole, Bush, Hillary, Obama mob have worked desperately to steal Russia's wealth in any way they possibly could by spinning total full on crap and they only worked to undermine the sand niggers oil, not to mention that the satanic Zionist so called Jews control USA and it's them who's pushing 100% for wars they want and only worked to created all this shit.

look at the money we are spending on our ADF now, that's madness, if all was in fact ok.

USA is now spending even more huge amount's of more money now on war and it's all insane madness as to why.

No company such as GM pulls out of anything like that.


Applause Hell mate....have you been eavesdropping on my soapbox spiels in the shed after I have raided the beer fridge....I agree....watch history repeat it self.
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#30 Posted : Monday, 3 July 2017 6:08:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: qutes Go to Quoted Post
Think you guys are getting old to quick, if you's had have moved quicker when the last Holden was made in 1984 with the WB, instead you's kept supporting the Opel with a Holden badge, Toyota have been here since around 1958 designing an automobile, starting with the FJ25 and in 1985 became a FJ75/HJ75, today it's the VDJ76/78/79, it is the True Aussie, leaf spring rear, coil front live axle. Aussie and the Kiwi's got the V8, and now South Africa, can't even get the V8 in Japan, they got a V6 in their 70 series in 2015, and that was after a 15 year no 70 series.Even comes in a panel van in the guise of a troupe carrier, talk about yank import's. Read what they say about these 70 series in the USA, seems they are being exported out of Aussie to the good old US of A, and if you have never driven one then try they are bloody wicked. They made the duel cab just for us first. It's our iron ore that makes these 70 series VDJ's and it's us they build them for. I tow a car trailer loaded at a 130/140 kph cruise, the Troopy is fast becoming a cult, Troop Carrier's of Australia is an example. If one is a lounge lizard then you get a 200 series, they may suit you old folk more. In the cities like (not including Brisbane) "Melbourne" {coffee culture folk) you don't see VDJs they drive automobiles that have the most amount of cup holders, my 2007 VDJ V8 has NO cup holders, no ABS, no traction control and one computer that runs the engine, so I get to drive Her, I change gears when I want. She is as close to an Aussie car as a US inspired HQ and i luv HQ's. But for real, was a dummy door Opel with a 1955 inspired V8 or 1962 V6 Buick engine every an Australian Icon "I don't think so old Man.



I agree with most of what say don't worry about that...I or should I say "WE" meaning the wife got involved and we ended up with New Ford Ranger to do the grey nomad thing...We did around 7,000k trip from SEQ thru central NSW onto the coast at Batemans bay then followed the coast to Victor Hbr then home...Anyway, Brother inlaws Cruiser duel cab , lets just say could not really keep up and was getting 10lt to 100s worse fuel...very similar vans and weight,mine was stock running gear he had to air bag his rear.....Dont get me wrong ol mate I love my Toyotas...They were a just a bit to agricultural for the Princess.Dancing ...She like the lights and buttons...LOL...OH,yes the cup holders hahaha.
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Originally Posted by: qutes Go to Quoted Post
Think you guys are getting old to quick, if you's had have moved quicker when the last Holden was made in 1984 with the WB, instead you's kept supporting the Opel with a Holden badge, Toyota have been here since around 1958 designing an automobile, starting with the FJ25 and in 1985 became a FJ75/HJ75, today it's the VDJ76/78/79, it is the True Aussie, leaf spring rear, coil front live axle. Aussie and the Kiwi's got the V8, and now South Africa, can't even get the V8 in Japan, they got a V6 in their 70 series in 2015, and that was after a 15 year no 70 series.Even comes in a panel van in the guise of a troupe carrier, talk about yank import's. Read what they say about these 70 series in the USA, seems they are being exported out of Aussie to the good old US of A, and if you have never driven one then try they are bloody wicked. They made the duel cab just for us first. It's our iron ore that makes these 70 series VDJ's and it's us they build them for. I tow a car trailer loaded at a 130/140 kph cruise, the Troopy is fast becoming a cult, Troop Carrier's of Australia is an example. If one is a lounge lizard then you get a 200 series, they may suit you old folk more. In the cities like (not including Brisbane) "Melbourne" {coffee culture folk) you don't see VDJs they drive automobiles that have the most amount of cup holders, my 2007 VDJ V8 has NO cup holders, no ABS, no traction control and one computer that runs the engine, so I get to drive Her, I change gears when I want. She is as close to an Aussie car as a US inspired HQ and i luv HQ's. But for real, was a dummy door Opel with a 1955 inspired V8 or 1962 V6 Buick engine every an Australian Icon "I don't think so old Man.



I agree with most of what say don't worry about that...I or should I say "WE" meaning the wife got involved and we ended up with New Ford Ranger to do the grey nomad thing...We did around 7,000k trip from SEQ thru central NSW onto the coast at Batemans bay then followed the coast to Victor Hbr then home...Anyway, Brother inlaws Cruiser duel cab , lets just say could not really keep up and was getting 10lt to 100s worse fuel...very similar vans and weight,mine was stock running gear he had to air bag his rear.....Dont get me wrong ol mate I love my Toyotas...They were a just a bit to agricultural for the Princess.Dancing ...She like the lights and buttons...LOL...OH,yes the cup holders hahaha.


I looked at buying one of those dual cab 'cruisers. Bloody uncomfortable to sit it, manual only and compared to my Hilux no power. Sure it had heaps of torque but 80% of my use is daily driver. If they'd make them with the 5.7L petrol engine (effectively the 308 version to the smaller "253" 200 series' 4.6L V8) and auto transmission i'd have one tomorrow though.

Funny thing is though, the big mines don't want the V8 diesel. Too unreliable and complicated. So Toyota imports the Tanzania spec 1HZ non-turbo diesel in LHD for them, they are never registered and go forever.

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#32 Posted : Monday, 3 July 2017 7:10:08 AM(UTC)
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Cadia had a no turbo policy for LV's until Toyota stopped making non turbo cruisers. They then had to start using the turbo V8's. They are now importing the non-turbo ones. So they had a few old 2H diesels left and all the rest were V8. They had no turbo 6's, which were by far the best cruiser engine.
The reason I was told they didn't want turbo LV's was they had an increased fire risk underground. The Tanzania ones are also cheaper which has a major bearing on choice in mining.

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#33 Posted : Monday, 3 July 2017 8:40:48 AM(UTC)
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In Africa they get the 4.0L V6 from our Hilux in some of the Landcruisers too. You can see it sitting in the bare chassis in the attached brochure link. They get front and rear diff locks as well, and you can buy a 70 series wagon.

http://www.toyota.co.tz/...ta%20LC70%20brochure.pdf
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The VZ and VE V6 engines are Peugeot sourced so Holden being part of PSA or GM or any other conglomerate doesn't really matter in the long run.

When the VN came out it was going to have the Nissan RB engine in it but the exchange rate to the Yen tanked and the Buick V6 was used instead, it's all about the Benjamins.

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#35 Posted : Wednesday, 2 August 2017 10:50:54 PM(UTC)
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VZ, VE & VF V6s are a GM design, called the HFV6 (high feature V6) and it is/was manufactured in several locations around the world - including Australia until the end of last year.
It has gone into numerous GM and GM subsidiary products, in both RWD, AWD & FWD formats, in predominantly US & AU markets.
We saw it in our local GMH market in the Commodore, Captiva, and Rodeo/Colorado.

It is a very modular & adaptable design, able to be scaled up or down in capacity, and with a range of different head, valvetrain & intake options.
Apart from GM products, it was also sold to Alfa-Romeo in a smaller capacity version, but that's as close as it gets to Europe (apart from going into some Opel & Saab vehicles).

It is as far from a PSA engine as a blue 308 is.
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