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Sell it and buy a Brougham
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Use it for rust repair sections for a GTS, GTS327 or GTS350. |
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I'm not sure what you're really trying to do. But If you're talking about engine and drive line. Leave it all as is and have some fun doing up the six cylinder.
A serious bit of work on the old 186 or 202 and you can give some of the V8 blokes a scare, cost you about $5000 or spend $8000 for a V8 and the conversion costs.
There are some keen 6 cylinder enthusiasts out there that can help you with the ideas for the 6 cylinder option.
You'll gain some respect when you get that 6 working well.
And all the 6 cylinder parts you'll need are out there, tried and tested and much development over the last 50 years or so.
If you really want an 8 though its a pretty straight forward job, all the parts are reasonably easy to come by.
Don't be put off by some that will try and tell you that this part is rare or that part is hard to find and will ask for big dollars for them.
most of what you'll need is still around.
Get in to your local holden club and see what the other blokes are doing.
And you'll probably find they're just trying have some fun doing it too.
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At Bathurst they have the HQ 202 race....They beat Moffats's XY times. Six cylinder Monaro's were "S" motors right?......Well they bring major dollars on the Ebay and other sales sites....prolly more than a v8 ...From what I have seen they actually do...186S donks are as scarce a rocking horse shit...its all about the numbers by the looks...they all want ORIGINALITY.... Edited by user Tuesday, 26 July 2016 8:41:06 PM(UTC)
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....Kind of makes you wonder what a V6 V Series Monaro will be worth coming through the years....
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Originally Posted by: griffo  At Bathurst they have the HQ 202 race....They beat Moffats's XY times.
Six cylinder Monaro's were "S" motors right?......Well they bring major dollars on the Ebay and other sales sites....prolly more than a v8 ...From what I have seen they actually do...186S donks are as scarce a rocking horse shit...its all about the numbers by the looks...they all want ORIGINALITY.... 186S was optional on Monaro but most were 161HC (standard engine), 186 or in HK 5 litre. You could also option 161LC. For HT Monaro only 161LC, 186HC, 186LC or 186S as options as V8 Monaro was a separate model. It was GTS where 186S was standard. 202S was to be the standard engine in HQ GTS but that model was dropped before production and thus there was only a V8 HQ GTS model. There is really nothing all that special abput a 186S engine other than the inlet, carb and headers. The crank is the same as all 186 prior to mid 1967. The cam is the same as all HT-G 186 except those with trimatic. Sure they got better bearings and different exhaust valves but those are shagged today so new bits are substituted. As for what a 186S engine is worth, not any more really than any other 186 engine in the same condition plus the value of the inlet, carb, air cleaner and headers. Edited by user Tuesday, 26 July 2016 9:12:21 PM(UTC)
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There is really nothing all that special abput a 186S engine other than the inlet, carb and headers. The crank is the same as all 186 prior to mid 1967. The cam is the same as all HT-G 186 except those with trimatic. Sure they got better bearings and different exhaust valves...
And 20% heavier valve springs. The reason a 186S is worth more, where "worth" means what someone will pay, is because it isa 186S, and that is independent of its technical merit. Just as a HK81837 is more common than HT and HG 81837, and technically inferior to them, but still commands a little more money. In recent months I've seen a Warrigal Black auto 186S GTS go for $80k, and a 186 base model go for $75k. Admittedly both cars had something extra going for them, but I wouldn't dismiss the 6 cylinder cars just yet.
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Valve springs are like valves and bearings - you would normally replace them after all this time on an old engine off Ebay, hence would have no bearing on the value of a block/engine.
In my experience a 186S is just a 186 value wise. I've had a few as they are fairly common, there is probably more engines around today than there are cars that had them originally as many have been removed to fit V8's. They have never sold for me for big $, no different to any other 186 of the same bore size. Normally $250-$300 for a block would pull one up. The ones I have seen go for good money are either those from a HR or those with their original induction especially air cleaner. |
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For enjoyment factor it's worth the swap,as for the 6cyls being desirable that's got to be wrong It's the fact it's a Monaro not that ists got a shtbox motor If I had the option between a original 6cyl and a non original v8 give me the 8 because I want to drive it and will get a lot more from it I've got a base model 186s and it's now sporting an 8 which is what it should have came out with.also just for extra unoriginality,it's got gts options retrofitted!cop that one 6cyl lovers! I suspect the crowd that think the 6cyl is just as sort after/desirable as the 8's haven't driven a 186 in traffic lately Also there wasn't even any 6cyl monaros raced at Bathurst!not even racing pedigree Edited by user Wednesday, 27 July 2016 9:13:08 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Use it for rust repair sections for a GTS, GTS327 or GTS350. Haha very good !
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Originally Posted by: 307chev
Also there wasn't even any 6cyl monaros raced at Bathurst!not even racing pedigree
True, but there was a 186S powered HK Kingswood sedan raced in 1968. It was a 186S 4spd. That is one more than the 307....! And one more than any Monaro or even GTS! Only GTS327 or GTS350 until the HQ GTS sedan in the 70's. I don't think there was any other 186 engined cars either until XU1. Edited by user Wednesday, 27 July 2016 10:08:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Originally Posted by: 307chev
Also there wasn't even any 6cyl monaros raced at Bathurst!not even racing pedigree
True, but there was a 186S powered HK Kingswood sedan raced in 1968. It was a 186S 4spd. That is one more than the 307....! And one more than any Monaro or even GTS! Only GTS327 or GTS350 until the HQ GTS sedan in the 70's. I don't think there was any other 186 engined cars either until XU1. That's interesting stuff about the hk186 kinga that raced.is it known what its history is?maybe it's been in amc
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Just watch the 1968 race start on YouTube, and you see it. Sponsored by Young and Green in Newcastle. #35C. Qualified 43rd and finished 28th overall, 10th in Class C. Driven by Sib Petralia and Jim Sullivan. https://s-media-cache-ak...155538146b3fced919de.jpgSearch "The Bathurst Kingswood" here: http://www.pressreader.com/This is my favourite picture of that race. End of lap 6 from memory, not a Ford in sight the GTS327's were that dominant. Alas the blue car of Haynes/Stahl at the back right was being lapped at this time as it was having ignition woes, possibly slowing down here to go into the pits. http://autopics.com.au/6...hotographer-ray-simpson/ |
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Another interesting read of course...The knowledge from members here amazes me...One thing I have noticed up here with a few, is after restro they trailer the end product....never to touch the tarmac so to speak...lol. Its what ever floats your boat.....Its like beauty and music...Its all in the eye or the ear of the beholder. Edited by user Wednesday, 27 July 2016 7:19:42 PM(UTC)
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Build them to drive I agree. Problem today is the risks. Risk of damage. Risk of them being stolen. And the risk to you. After having a nasty head on in my 2010 SR5 complete with side, curtain and front airbags I was glad I was in it and not in a HK. |
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Yes good point, but to that I would say an HK is a lot safer than a motorbike - is it better to enjoy life with some risk or be safer and have less enjoyment?
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